Everett has claimed Travis Dunstall off waivers from the Tigers.....the fact that the Tigers waived him rather than trade him means that there probably wasn't a single team in the league willing to give up anything for him.
Dunstall gives the Tips five overagers, so some decisions are going to have to be made there now. Of note is that three of those five were castoffs from other teams.
Also, I have removed the Tigers from my list of teams I am tracking camp rosters for. Apparently they have decided not to publicize the names of kids who are cut. If they want to run their team all hush-hush like it's the CIA, so be it. I won't have to waste my time looking for their cuts every day. I pity Tigers fans who care about their team and just want to know what is going on though.
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hey...tiger fans just care about the final roster...why worry about the cuts...besides at the end of the year...no one remember the cuts...anyone who is a tigers fan already knows what is going on...thanks for the insight though...
So if anyone who is a Tigers fan already knows what is going on, and you're a Tigers fan, perhaps you can tell us all what's going on.
Who's left?
I bet you don't know.
They can run it like a professional organization where they do everything in the open and keep everyone informed, or they can run it like it's a private club and people who aren't members aren't welcome. Which do you think is better for everyone?
They say they're doing it to spare the feelings of the kids who are cut. Well gee, maybe they should play without names or numbers on the jerseys too, so nobody knows who coughed the puck up in the corner or who missed the net on the breakaway - we wouldn't want fans to get on those kids and hurt their feelings either. Or maybe they shouldn't play in front of fans at all and eliminate the possibility of hurt feelings altogether.
It's about professionalism and accountability and this move shows an interest in neither.
I have a lot of respect for the Tigers organization and what they have accomplished. That's why this little league move is so surprising and disappointing to me.
SAW THE TIGERS GAME LAST NIGHT...WE'LL GET TO KNOW THE ROOKIES WHEN THEY MAKE THE TEAM!...THE TIGERS MUST BE DOING SOMETHING RIGHT...MAYBE OTHER TEAMS SHOULD TAKE THEIR LEAD...
It is not specifically about fans. It is about the Parents, Grandparents, brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles and so on of these young athletes. People who care - and probably more than any fan.
It is about a great source of information and a service. And believe me, anyone with any interest at all either direct or not, wants to know - and as soon as possible, about little Johnny. Willie can say what he wants but it is myopic, self serving, and without regard for the readers of these blogs and the relatives and friends of those trying out. And as such I find it ignorant, childish and arrogant. Forget the excuses; he just doesn't give a crap. And that tells me a whole lot more about the man than he understands.
I wonder if Willie is going to do the same thing at the World juniors this year?
Winning is all that counts! And that the Tigers have done over the course of Willie's term...besides...it will be really easy to figure out who got cut when the lineups come out...As Willie did say, if it is veteran being let go...fans and media would be the first to know (Hence...Travis Dunstall)...
HEY ARCHIE...GET A LIFE...NO ONE CARES IF YOUR GRANDSON (THAT NO ONE HAS HEARD OF) GETS CUT...TRYING PHONING HIM TO CHECK ON HIS PROGRESS...BESIDES...JUST LIKE NHL OR NFL CUT...FANS ONLY CARE ABOUT THE VETERAN NAMES (WHICH THEY DID RELEASE) AS MENTIONED ABOVE!!! PROBABLY THE MH NEWS (WHICH ONLY WRITES HALF THE STORY AS USUAL) FORGOT TO MENTION...AS USUAL...
WHY ARE YOU TYPING IN CAPS YOU DORK?
SAME GOES BIG NOSE!
Tigers got it right...let the current kids be the story...understable if its a vet...but not a kid who has yet or will never play in the league... besides... like every team...once the roster is set...the Tigers are the first to inform fans and the local media...
Didn't the Tigers win the marketing award twice in the last four years?...take note critics...they must be doing something right! Go Tigers Go!!!
Hey Alan. This isn't anything new with the Tigers. It's been this way since Willie took over. He doesn't like embarrassing anyone so in his mind why publish names that 99% of the fans don't know any ways. Whether you like it or not that's the way he does things and as I said, it's nothing new.
The fans who don't want to know don't have to. If you'd rather wait for opening night and find out who made the team by buying a program, that's your business.
Some of us do want to know though. I'm not even a fan of the Tigers and I want to know who's in the running to make their team....and it's not so I can laugh in the face of some kid who got cut. I just really like this level of hockey and everything about it - and I'm not the only one. So why do we have to be kept in the dark, and why do you people who DON'T want to know defend that practice? What's it to you whether they announce the cuts or not?
Let me put it another way - when your Tigers hopefuls go off to NHL rookie camps, perhaps the NHL clubs should refuse to release any info on how the players are doing there, or whether they're even still there. After all, most kids who attend NHL camps are camp fodder, longshots who will never be one of that NHL team's top prospects. So why bother mentioning them, there's probably nobody who cares, right?
And the guy who said winning is everything and they can do whatever they want as long as they win....come on, you didn't really think that out, did you? You don't have to look very far for examples of how bad things can SOMETIMES happen when fans turn a blind eye just because the team wins.
Why are the Tigers and some of their fans afraid of openness and potential public scrutiny of their operations? Most teams in the league seem to have no problem with it, including some very, very successful ones. But you guys would prefer to believe that the Tigers have stumbled on some magic secret for success that nobody else knows.
I think you proved the Tigers point...prospects going to NHL camps, long shots or not, are usually veterans of their junior or college leagues...they can handle the pressures and the rejections...let the 14 and 15 year old WHL prospect go without media...
It's hilarious how all you Tigers butt-kissers think this is some cutting-edge move by them and the fact that Desjardins has a winning record there means his shit don't stink.
All but a couple teams in this league are very forthcoming with their cuts and believe it or not, many of those teams are very successful too.
How do they manage to be so successful when their prospects are subjected to the humiliation of being publicly cut when they're 15 or 16? Perhaps they target kids who are mentally tougher than the ones the Tigers attract, eh?
Sarcasm aside - and that entire last paragraph is sarcasm, in case it's not obvious enough - nobody has yet managed to point out exactly how these kids are supposedly being harmed by having their names published in a throwaway paragraph at the end of some mundane training camp article. 99% of people who read the names do not know the kids involved and will never meet them. Some of those people care, some don't. How does it hurt the kid to have some stranger briefly know his name? For the 1% of readers who may know a kid who was cut, are you telling me that they wouldn't know anyway that the kid got cut from the Tigers when he shows up at the local Jr A or midget team tryouts? It is completely and utterly LUDICROUS to suggest that the kids are somehow better served by remaining anonymous. All the people who are important to the kid already know what happened whether it gets published or not - and those are the people the kid has to face every day. I doubt any of these kids give a crap if some total stranger 1000km away reads that they got cut from the Tigers.
The fact that some of you don't care if you don't know the roster until you buy a program is your business. I call you a casual fan; there's nothing wrong with that, but that's what you are. Most serious fans want to know who their teams' top prospects are and how close those prospects might be to making the team. How many vets got pushed hard for their jobs and by who? Are we able to make a trade with our forwards to shore up our defence because we have some kids coming up who are close to being ready at forward? Etc, etc. If you don't know who the last cuts were because the team only names cuts when they're veterans, then you will never know these things.
So if you want to sit on your ass while your team willingly keeps you in the dark about this stuff, be my guest. But don't pretend nobody should care about it or that it's some grand gesture to "protect" kids because the only people being protected here are the ones who benefit by you being ignorant about the state of your team. Think for a second about who that is. Yes, it's him.
that was great!!! you might wanna think about actually working in hockey or politics with all that whining...thing you got a love about the media or wanna be media types ...right or wrong... the Tigers are always top of mind (especially in medicine hat) ... oh ya...4000 fans every night will tell you that!...I am sure the Tigers will let you know when they set there roster... take care...
Tigers this Tigers that!!! I want to know what Everetts doing with 5 overagers. Last year Sotart came out with the list of who he was going to keep. It's changed many times since then. From what I seen in Camp and the last few years Harper might be the only one garrenteed a spot, (though Daily and Scherger looked good in scrimages)
I am 100% with Alan on this one. I love to know who is at camp, who is playing well, who to look out for in the next years to add to the team. To say that a team is just about who is on the roster opening day is BS, it is also about he future of the team and the prospects.
Having a little brother that went to rookie camp for Calgary this year and made it to the main camp to only be cut after the first day, I can tell you that he was not embarrassed by the cut at all, he was proud of how far he made it and did not care that his name got shown as being cut.
The Tigers organization is really taking something away from thier fans for not allowing them fully into the organization and in the end it is the fans that lose.
ya know, its funny that some annonymous idiot three posts above wants to call Alan a "whiner", and a "wanna be media type". But yet here you are asshole, readin the very blog for information that you want to cut down by calling allan a wanna be.
In my opinion this blog is by far one of the best sources for info for WHL hockey out there and Alan runs an pretty unbiased ship around here too. He knows more about the Tigers than 95% of their own fans and willingly wants to report on them for us the general WHL fan. AND FOR FREE I MIGHT ADD! and here some people want to run him down for giving a shit!
Hey Tigers fans, what is wrong with generating a little interest in the future of your team? I know alot about the 14 and 15 year olds where I am and I would be pissed about a media shutout in our town about OUR team.
We are the ones who put out $1000's of dollars to keep the teams afloat, dont you think they owe us a little something in return?
Tigers fans may be good to go to a game as an out of town opposing fan, but they are the worst in the league when it comes to their own team. I dont care how good of a season you are having, they will still BOOO their own damn team off the ICE when they dont win, this I have been there to see many times.
It wasnt that long ago either might I remind you Tigers fans that the team wasn't that great and sell outs were a pipe dream at best, when they lose you all desert the team, when they win you all think that your the best team in the league with the best a most loyal fans in the WHL
Get a life to all the desjardin info-hiding losers that support this BS.
Alan you do a great job man, the vast majority of us out here agree with you too as we dont have the wool over our eyes.
Nothing better for a kid then to NOT get the public recognition of at least attending the training camp of such a "first-class" organization, even though they were cut.
Good on the Tigers for not wanting to hurt any feelings, these guys probably couldn't handle the humiliation. Otherwise they would have gone somewhere else.
Give me a break...
I can see both sides of it, but we can’t have both sides, it’s one way or the other. The guy that chooses is the one responsible, and in this case it’s Willi. He’s the one that has the difficult decision of keeping or cutting a kid. He’s the one that sits face to face with the player and asseses the player, the good, and the bad. Willi's the one that has to deliver the news and see the weight of crushing disappointment when a dream comes crashing down in the young life of a dedicated player.
I don’t know what’s happening with the team except in a general sense, and I have a kid trying out for the Tigers right now. I can say without doubt that the welfare of each boy is indeed of concern to him, and the boys know it. Perhaps like Willi, every coach should have the experience of their own kids in sports. The atmosphere in the camp is one of personal respect between everyone involved. Perhaps that’s one of the reasons the majority of players of the last several years have been willing to go beyond their very best for him. His job is to get the team ready and play to win in the up coming season.
So in the end, if Alan wants to display his temper by removing the Tigers list from his blog, or if some fans want to publicly rebuke him for not keeping them in the loop, you at least have to respect him for standing up for what he thinks is right for his reason. I’m sure he’s not losing any sleep over it.
The Tigers ownership is very secretive in some of the things they do. Hell they didn't even participate in the talks about the new arena although they were asked several times for their input. Maybe giving out limited info about camp is another directive from the owners.
Just to be clear - my decision to remove the Tigers from the list of camp rosters has nothing to do with a fit of temper. Simply, why waste my time updating a roster that can't be updated because the team isn't going to be publicizing the cuts? I do this in my free time for no profit and if a team is going to make the job difficult and time-consuming, I'm not going to bother. There's 21 other teams (OK, maybe 18) who are very interested in providing this information to everyone.
Believe me, there's 3 or 4 other teams out there who might as well not be on the list because finding any info about their roster is almost like winning the lottery. But those teams at least haven't publicly stated that they won't release info. If they did, I'd probably remove them too.
I don't hate the Tigers or their organization or Willie Desjardins or anyone....I still think Desjardins is a good coach & GM, I just think this is a bad decision by him and the team.
Some of their fans, on the other hand.....the ones who pop by here and take anonymous potshots at people (seriously, they can't even put a name to their comments?), especially when they clearly haven't given the issue much thought beyond "it's Willie's decision and Willie rocks!", those people irk me. But not the Tigers or their players or any of the well-reasoned commenters here, of which there are many.
This is one of the more amusing message treads in quite a while. Does it really matter, all Alan is saying is that he does this with his free time and isn't going to waste it on a team that doesn't want to disclose information. People like me do want to see the cuts, most of the kids still around on rosters as of now probably have a good chance of cracking a WHL roster, Maybe not with the team they are trying out for but it is useful information. I'm just suprised so many Tiger fans got thier panties in a bunch. Alan is trying to give you free unbiased information on your team and yet somehow he is a whiner?? The team is winning so they can do what they want?? Calgary wins, Vancouver wins they also both over 6,000 a game... 10+ on weekends. Kelowna almost sells out every game. They have no problem releasing names.... But hey it's the Tigers decision, so is this really still an issue?
This whole debate has been great...29 on the roster in the hat...the radio seemed to be able to put it together with an updated roster from the tigers and the games over the weekend...I am thinking the paper reporter is just feeling left out and making things up again...as usual...Willie was probably taken out of context...
Who cares about MH?? I want to know what Everetts doing..
Hi Alan,
Love the site, check it every day. Looks like the Tigers may have heard some feedback regarding the lack of details on camp as the MH News has a list of recent cuts this morning. Any chance of adding them back to your list?
tiger fan 4 life
I would absolutely put the Tigers back on the list if I thought there was going to be a reliable source for their roster moves.
The roster may have appeared in the Medicine Hat paper but it has yet to appear on the paper's website. In fact, the most recent Tigers article on the paper's website is from September 1 - ten days ago. What's up with that?
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