Thursday, November 13, 2008

Running with Gregg's idea

....or more accurately, Bill Motiuk's idea. On Gregg Drinnan's blog today, he details Motiuk's idea for a different points system for wins and losses in hockey, graded on whether the game was decided in regulation, overtime, or a shootout. If you haven't read the article already, read it now before reading the rest of this post because you won't understand the rest of this post otherwise.

What I've done is re-worked the current WHL standings to use Motiuk's proposed system, just to see how things would be different. First, the current standings the way the WHL does it now:

(I've ranked the teams by win% in order to eliminate variance in games played)



GP W L OTL SOL PTS Win %
1 Vancouver Giants 19 15 1 0 3 33 0.868
2 Calgary Hitmen 24 19 4 1 0 39 0.812
3 Spokane Chiefs 20 13 4 0 3 29 0.725
4 Tri-City Americans 21 14 5 0 2 30 0.714
5 Saskatoon Blades 22 15 6 1 0 31 0.705
6 Swift Current Broncos 22 14 8 0 0 28 0.636
7
Brandon Wheat Kings 20 12 7 1 0 25 0.625
7 Regina Pats 24 13 7 1 3 30 0.625
9 Medicine Hat Tigers 22 11 7 2 2 26 0.591
10 Kelowna Rockets 21 12 9 0 0 24 0.571
11 Everett Silvertips 21 10 8 3 0 23 0.548
12 Kootenay Ice 24 10 9 2 3 25 0.521
13 Prince Albert Raiders 25 13 12 0 0 26 0.520
14 Kamloops Blazers 23 10 10 0 3 23 0.500
15 Lethbridge Hurricanes 20 9 10 0 1 19 0.475
16 Edmonton Oil Kings 24 9 12 1 2 21 0.438
17 Prince George Cougars 22 9 12 0 1 19 0.432
18 Chilliwack Bruins 21 7 11 1 2 17 0.405
18 Seattle Thunderbirds 21 7 11 1 2 17 0.405
20 Red Deer Rebels 25 7 13 0 5 19 0.380
21 Moose Jaw Warriors 20 6 13 0 1 13 0.325
22 Portland Winter Hawks 19 5 14 0 0 10 0.263

And now, the way the standings would look using Motiuk's idea:



GP W OTW SOW L PTS Win % Shift










1 Vancouver Giants 19 15 0 0 4 45 0.789 0
2 Calgary Hitmen 24 17 0 2 5 53 0.736 0
3 Saskatoon Blades 22 12 2 1 7 41 0.621 2
4 Spokane Chiefs 20 12 0 1 7 37 0.617 -1
5 Swift Current Broncos 22 12 1 1 8 39 0.591 1
6 Kelowna Rockets 21 12 0 0 9 36 0.571 4
7 Tri-City Americans 21 9 2 3 7 34 0.540 -3
8 Brandon Wheat Kings 20 10 0 2 8 32 0.533 -1
9 Regina Pats 24 11 0 2 11 35 0.486 -2
10 Medicine Hat Tigers 22 10 0 1 11 31 0.470 -1
11 Everett Silvertips 21 8 0 2 11 26 0.413 0
12 Prince Albert Raiders 25 7 3 3 12 30 0.400 1
12 Lethbridge Hurricanes 20 7 1 1 11 24 0.400 2
14 Kamloops Blazers 23 8 1 1 13 27 0.391 0
15 Prince George Cougars 22 7 1 1 13 24 0.364 2
16 Edmonton Oil Kings 24 7 1 1 15 24 0.333 0
16 Kootenay Ice 24 7 0 3 14 24 0.333 -4
18 Seattle Thunderbirds 21 5 0 2 14 17 0.270 0
19 Moose Jaw Warriors 20 5 0 1 14 16 0.267 2
20 Portland Winter Hawks 19 4 1 0 14 14 0.246 2
21 Chilliwack Bruins 21 4 0 3 14 15 0.238 -3
22 Red Deer Rebels 25 4 1 2 18 16 0.213 -2

The last column, "Shift", is the number of places up or down in the overall standings that the team would move from their current position if Motiuk's system was used. So the biggest beneficiary of this system would be Kelowna, who are 4 positions better using this method, while the biggest drop is Kootenay, who drop four places.

A quick explanation about the winning % calculation too since you can see the winning percentage is different in the second method. I have calculated winning % in Motiuk's method as a "points percentage", the same as it is in the current standings. It's not a reflection on the number of games a team actually wins, but rather the percentage of possible points they actually get. Each game is worth three points maximum so a team that has played 20 games could have a maximum of 60 points. Thus, they would need 30 points to be a .500 team and so on.

I'm off to recalculate last year's final standings now using this method. I'll post those results later this afternoon when I'm done.

UPDATE: I've redone last year's final standings using Motiuk's idea...

Last year's final standings the way the WHL counts it up:



GP W L OTL SOL PTS Win %
1 Tri-City Americans 72 52 16 2 2 108 0.750
2 Spokane Chiefs 72 50 15 1 6 107 0.743
3 Vancouver Giants 72 49 15 2 6 106 0.736
4 Calgary Hitmen 72 47 20 1 4 99 0.688
5 Lethbridge Hurricanes 72 45 21 2 4 96 0.667
6 Regina Pats 72 44 22 4 2 94 0.653
7 Medicine Hat Tigers 72 43 22 5 2 93 0.646
8 Kootenay Ice 72 42 22 5 3 92 0.639
9 Seattle Thunderbirds 72 42 23 5 2 91 0.632
10 Brandon Wheat Kings 72 42 24 3 3 90 0.625
11 Swift Current Broncos 72 41 24 1 6 89 0.618
12 Moose Jaw Warriors 72 37 21 6 8 88 0.611
13 Kelowna Rockets 72 38 26 2 6 84 0.583
14 Everett Silvertips 72 39 30 0 3 81 0.562
15 Saskatoon Blades 72 29 34 3 6 67 0.465
16 Chilliwack Bruins 72 28 35 4 5 65 0.451
17 Kamloops Blazers 72 27 41 2 2 58 0.403
18 Prince Albert Raiders 72 26 41 3 2 57 0.396
19 Edmonton Oil Kings 72 22 39 4 7 55 0.382
20 Prince George Cougars 72 20 48 1 3 44 0.306
21 Red Deer Rebels 72 18 47 4 3 43 0.299
22 Portland Winter Hawks 72 11 58 2 1 25 0.174

And the final standings they way they would be using Motiuk's system:



GP W OTW SOW L PTS Win % Shift
1 Vancouver Giants 72 44 3 2 23 140 0.648 2
2 Spokane Chiefs 72 44 1 5 22 139 0.644 0
3
Tri-City Americans 72 41 5 6 20 139 0.644 -2
4 Calgary Hitmen 72 41 3 3 25 132 0.611 0
5 Lethbridge Hurricanes 72 38 2 5 27 123 0.569 0
6 Seattle Thunderbirds 72 39 1 2 30 121 0.560 3
7 Medicine Hat Tigers 72 35 5 3 29 118 0.546 0
8 Brandon Wheat Kings 72 37 1 4 30 117 0.542 2
9 Regina Pats 72 32 5 7 28 113 0.523 -3
10 Kootenay Ice 72 31 6 5 30 110 0.509 -2
11 Swift Current Broncos 72 30 7 4 31 108 0.500 0
12 Everett Silvertips 72 29 6 4 33 103 0.477 2
13 Kelowna Rockets 72 29 4 5 34 100 0.463 0
14 Moose Jaw Warriors 72 28 4 5 35 97 0.449 -2
15 Saskatoon Blades 72 23 3 3 43 78 0.361 0
16 Chilliwack Bruins 72 23 1 4 44 75 0.347 0
17 Kamloops Blazers 72 22 1 4 45 72 0.333 0
17 Prince Albert Raiders 72 22 2 2 46 72 0.333 1
19 Edmonton Oil Kings 72 18 0 4 50 58 0.269 0
20 Prince George Cougars 72 17 1 2 52 55 0.255 0
21 Red Deer Rebels 72 12 1 5 54 43 0.199 0
22 Portland Winter Hawks 72 9 0 2 61 29 0.134 0

Seattle would gain the most, being three positions higher in the standings. Regina would lose the most, being three positions lower. Tri-City would not have been first overall, they would have been third and Vancouver would have been #1.

But would any of the playoff matchups last year have been affected? As it was we had:

Calgary vs. Moose Jaw
Regina vs. Swift Current
Lethbridge vs. Brandon
Medicine Hat vs. Kootenay
Tri-City vs. Kamloops
Vancouver vs. Chilliwack
Spokane vs. Everett
Seattle vs. Kelowna

With the alternate system, we would have seen:

Calgary vs. Moose Jaw
Brandon vs. Swift Current
Lethbridge vs. Kootenay
Medicine Hat vs. Regina
Vancouver vs. Kamloops
Spokane vs. Chilliwack
Tri-City vs. Kelowna
Seattle vs. Everett

So the matchups would have been completely different. Only #1 vs. #8 in the Eastern conference, Calgary vs Moose Jaw, would have remained the same. Most notable is that not only would Regina not have been the #2 seed, they wouldn't even have had home ice advantage in the first round.

An interesting proposal, for sure. Thoughts?

1 comment:

Anonymous said...

Just reading the results some might say it changes nothing. If the system was actually in place the difference would be much higher as teams would be fighting for the 3 point regulation win. To often you see teams almost play for overtime and take no chances at all. I am a huge supporter of this system.